{"id":347707,"date":"2022-09-09T16:46:41","date_gmt":"2022-09-09T20:46:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/?p=347707"},"modified":"2023-11-08T19:50:34","modified_gmt":"2023-11-09T00:50:34","slug":"what-to-expect-from-california-gas-powered-car-ban","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/story\/2022\/09\/what-to-expect-from-california-gas-powered-car-ban\/","title":{"rendered":"California dreaming? Nope."},"content":{"rendered":"<header\n\tclass=\"wp-block-harvard-gazette-article-header alignfull article-header is-style-full-width-text-below centered-image\"\n\tstyle=\" \"\n>\n\t<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Electric cars charging.\" height=\"1667\" loading=\"eager\" src=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/20220909_calicarban_AP_22238013774834.jpg\" width=\"2500\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><p class=\"wp-element-caption--caption\">Electric cars charging in Chula Vista, California.<\/p><p class=\"wp-element-caption--credit\">Sipa via AP Images<\/p><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\t<div class=\"article-header__content\">\n\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\tclass=\"article-header__category\"\n\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/section\/nation-world\/\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\tNation &amp; World\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\n\t\t<h1 class=\"article-header__title wp-block-heading \">\n\t\tCalifornia dreaming? Nope.\t<\/h1>\n\n\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\n\t<div class=\"article-header__meta\">\n\t\t<div class=\"wp-block-post-author\">\n\t\t\t<address class=\"wp-block-post-author__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"author wp-block-post-author__name\">\n\t\tAlvin Powell\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p class=\"wp-block-post-author__byline\">\n\t\t\tHarvard Staff Writer\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/address>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t<time class=\"article-header__date\" datetime=\"2022-09-09\">\n\t\t\tSeptember 9, 2022\t\t<\/time>\n\n\t\t<span class=\"article-header__reading-time\">\n\t\t\t6 min read\t\t<\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\t\n\t\t\t<h2 class=\"article-header__subheading wp-block-heading\">\n\t\t\tExpert welcomes aggressive move toward electric vehicles, but sees one \u2018huge mistake\u2019 policymakers need to avoid and a surefire way to anger drivers\t\t<\/h2>\n\t\t\n<\/header>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group alignwide has-global-padding is-content-justification-center is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n\n\n\t\t<p>Last month, California regulators passed rules banning the sale of new gas-powered cars by 2035, a move hailed as a significant victory in the fight against climate change. The Gazette spoke with <a href=\"https:\/\/environment.harvard.edu\/people\/henry-lee\">Henry Lee<\/a>, director of the Environmental and Natural Resources Program at the Harvard Kennedy School and an expert on electric vehicles, about the ruling. Lee said that California\u2019s action is not without challenges, but that a shift in the nation\u2019s largest auto market has the potential to pull much of the country along with it. The interview has been edited for clarity and length.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Q&amp;A<\/h2>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Henry Lee<\/h3>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> How important is this move in fighting climate change?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> The ultimate goal is to decarbonize the transportation sector. That means passenger vehicles, freight vehicles; that means ships, airplanes. California\u2019s rule is certainly a positive step, but what\u2019s interesting is that more and more consumers are asking for electric cars. Demand outdistances supply right now.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> And that\u2019s with new vehicles coming on the market that you might not think of as electric, like Ford\u2019s F150 Lightning, with a couple of hundred thousand pre-orders.<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> An electric vehicle performs better than a gasoline vehicle, so it\u2019s not hard to sell. The concerns have always been, first, range. The trip I take in July is 500 miles and I\u2019m scared I\u2019m going to run out of power halfway. Secondly: \u201cWhere am I going to charge my car?\u201d There\u2019s a lot of activity underway to resolve those two concerns, so I think we are making good progress.<\/p>\n<p>California took a big risk [in the 1990s] when it pushed for a certain percentage of cars sold in the state to be net-zero emission vehicles. A lot of people said, \u201cCalifornia is never going to get there; its policy is simply aspirational.\u201d But they set up a series of interactions between the government, auto manufacturers, academics, and other interested parties to work on the technology. And they kept pushing and pushing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> Do you expect other states to follow California\u2019s recent move and ban sales of gas-powered vehicles?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> I would think so. There is some pushback that the move to EVs is going too fast: maybe we should examine other technology like fuel cells or greater use of biofuels. But not all of these options get you to net zero, and we need to get to net zero faster than a lot of people expect.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> What are the biggest hurdles facing California?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> Scale is really important. If nobody you know has an electric car, you think about issues like range and the lack of charging stations and you may be less likely to buy one. But if your neighbor to your left has an electric car and the neighbor to your right has an electric car and they love them, you\u2019re apt to look at one when you think about buying a new car. Then other people follow suit and interest in EVs snowballs.<\/p>\n<p>Keep in mind that we\u2019re talking about new cars sold in 2035. Cars last around 15 years, so it will take us to 2050 before we get rid of most of the gasoline-powered cars.<\/p>\n\r\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cDrivers will be willing to wait 10 to 15 minutes to charge their cars so they can drive 200 more miles. But if they have to wait much longer, they will not be happy.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\r\n\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> More cars on the road, so more charging stations. But who builds them? Is it private industry or will this have to be supported by government?<\/p>\n\r\n<div class=\"wp-block-harvard-gazette-supporting-content alignleft supporting-content\" id=\"supporting-content-40f84bf8-b9d1-4664-ba1c-ec70000d4ae7\">\n\t<div class=\"featured-articles is-post-type-post is-style-grid-list\"  style=\"\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"featured-articles__title wp-block-heading\">More like this<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"featured-articles__list \">\n\t\t\n\t\t<li class=\"featured-article \">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"featured-article__image\">\n\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"750\" src=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1200%2C750\" class=\"attachment-large-landscape-desktop size-large-landscape-desktop\" alt=\"Electric car.\" srcset=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=608,380 608w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=784,490 784w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1024,640 1024w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1200,750 1200w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1488,930 1488w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1680,1050 1680w\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"featured-article__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"featured-article__category\" href=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/section\/science-technology\/\">\n\t\t\tScience &amp; 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Tech\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"featured-article__title wp-block-heading \"><a href=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/story\/2015\/03\/greener-delivery\/\">Greener delivery?<\/a><\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"featured-article__meta\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<time class=\"featured-article__date\" datetime=\"2015-03-16\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMarch 16, 2015\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/time>\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"featured-article__reading-time\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t7 min read\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/li>\n\n\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t<\/div>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> There are three options. One is the private party. The second is the government supports a private party to do it. The third is the government does it. I think the third would be a huge mistake. Of the other two, usually I would go with the first \u2014 private party \u2014 because that way the system tends to work better. But if we have to move to electric cars in a short period, the second is going to be your best option. There\u2019s $6 billion for charging infrastructure in the infrastructure bill, and I hope the government uses the money to incentivize the private sector to establish and operate fast-charging stations and to incentivize homeowners to install the capacity to charge their car in their garage.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> What changes might be noticeable over the next few years?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> You will need fast charging on the interstates and the highways. Drivers will be willing to wait 10 to 15 minutes to charge their cars so they can drive 200 more miles. But if they have to wait much longer, they will not be happy. The economics of charging is based on utilization. If I own a fast-charging station, I have to occupy my chargers at least 20 percent of the time if I\u2019m to break even. It\u2019s a little bit of a chicken-and-egg problem. This is where the government can come in and say, \u201cLook, we\u2019ll protect your bottom line for the first four years and then you\u2019re on your own.\u201d I think that would be an effective policy, because it would allow utilization rates to grow so the station can make a profit.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t think the electricity supply will be a big problem, but distribution will be. Utilities are going to have to install smart transformers in a lot of neighborhoods. If 60 percent of the cars in a neighborhood are electric and they all come home at 7 o\u2019clock and hook up, the transformers can\u2019t handle the surge in demand. You need a smart transformer that will be able to synchronize supply and demand and charge three of the cars between 7 and 10 p.m., then three more between 10 and 1 a.m., three more between 1 and 4 a.m., and the last batch between 4 and 7 a.m.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> Will there be downstream effects from the California requirement?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> The technology that we really need to accelerate is less expensive and more effective battery technology. If a vehicle can get the same amount of power from a smaller battery as a larger one, it will save weight and space while improving the range of the vehicle. Battery manufacturing also emits a lot of carbon, so we should work to reduce those emissions. Third, batteries use a lot of nickel, cobalt, and lithium, minerals that are very dirty to mine \u2014 particularly the first two \u2014 and extremely dirty to process. There\u2019s going to be pressure to develop batteries that use less nickel \u2014 or no nickel \u2014 or that don\u2019t use cobalt. Maybe there\u2019ll be pressure to recycle lithium instead of opening new mines. Improving battery technology should be a major focus for both the public and private sectors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n<\/div>\n\n\t\t","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>California\u2019s move to ban gas-powered car sales will have ripple effects visible along highways and in neighborhoods where people sleep, and cars charge.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":122429419,"featured_media":347709,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"gz_ga_pageviews":221,"gz_ga_lastupdated":"2024-04-05 03:05","document_color_palette":"crimson","author":"Alvin Powell","affiliation":"Harvard Staff Writer","_category_override":"","_yoast_wpseo_primary_category":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1378],"tags":[3753,6865,36925,15846,16766],"gazette-formats":[],"series":[],"class_list":["post-347707","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-nation-world","tag-alvin-powell","tag-california","tag-electric-cars","tag-harvard-kennedy-school","tag-henry-lee"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v23.0 (Yoast SEO v27.1.1) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-premium-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>What to expect from California gas-powered car ban &#8212; Harvard Gazette<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"California\u2019s move to ban gas-powered car sales will have ripple effects visible along highways and in neighborhoods where people sleep, and cars charge.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/story\/2022\/09\/what-to-expect-from-california-gas-powered-car-ban\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"What to expect from California gas-powered car ban\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"California\u2019s move to ban gas-powered car sales will have ripple effects visible along highways and in neighborhoods where people sleep, and cars charge.\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/story\/2022\/09\/what-to-expect-from-california-gas-powered-car-ban\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Harvard Gazette\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2022-09-09T20:46:41+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2023-11-09T00:50:34+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/20220909_calicarban_AP_22238013774834.jpg\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:width\" content=\"2500\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:height\" content=\"1667\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:type\" content=\"image\/jpeg\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"gazettebeckycoleman\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:title\" content=\"What to expect from California gas-powered car ban\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"Article\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/story\/2022\/09\/what-to-expect-from-california-gas-powered-car-ban\/#article\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/story\/2022\/09\/what-to-expect-from-california-gas-powered-car-ban\/\"},\"author\":{\"name\":\"gazettebeckycoleman\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/#\/schema\/person\/c6c859c924528563b44146bb17e8949f\"},\"headline\":\"California dreaming? 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A lot of people said, \u201cCalifornia is never going to get there; its policy is simply aspirational.\u201d But they set up a series of interactions between the government, auto manufacturers, academics, and other interested parties to work on the technology. And they kept pushing and pushing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> Do you expect other states to follow California\u2019s recent move and ban sales of gas-powered vehicles?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> I would think so. There is some pushback that the move to EVs is going too fast: maybe we should examine other technology like fuel cells or greater use of biofuels. But not all of these options get you to net zero, and we need to get to net zero faster than a lot of people expect.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> What are the biggest hurdles facing California?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> Scale is really important. If nobody you know has an electric car, you think about issues like range and the lack of charging stations and you may be less likely to buy one. But if your neighbor to your left has an electric car and the neighbor to your right has an electric car and they love them, you\u2019re apt to look at one when you think about buying a new car. Then other people follow suit and interest in EVs snowballs.<\/p>\n<p>Keep in mind that we\u2019re talking about new cars sold in 2035. Cars last around 15 years, so it will take us to 2050 before we get rid of most of the gasoline-powered cars.<\/p>\n"],"rendered":"\n\t\t<p>Last month, California regulators passed rules banning the sale of new gas-powered cars by 2035, a move hailed as a significant victory in the fight against climate change. The Gazette spoke with <a href=\"https:\/\/environment.harvard.edu\/people\/henry-lee\">Henry Lee<\/a>, director of the Environmental and Natural Resources Program at the Harvard Kennedy School and an expert on electric vehicles, about the ruling. Lee said that California\u2019s action is not without challenges, but that a shift in the nation\u2019s largest auto market has the potential to pull much of the country along with it. The interview has been edited for clarity and length.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Q&amp;A<\/h2>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Henry Lee<\/h3>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> How important is this move in fighting climate change?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> The ultimate goal is to decarbonize the transportation sector. That means passenger vehicles, freight vehicles; that means ships, airplanes. California\u2019s rule is certainly a positive step, but what\u2019s interesting is that more and more consumers are asking for electric cars. Demand outdistances supply right now.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> And that\u2019s with new vehicles coming on the market that you might not think of as electric, like Ford\u2019s F150 Lightning, with a couple of hundred thousand pre-orders.<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> An electric vehicle performs better than a gasoline vehicle, so it\u2019s not hard to sell. The concerns have always been, first, range. The trip I take in July is 500 miles and I\u2019m scared I\u2019m going to run out of power halfway. Secondly: \u201cWhere am I going to charge my car?\u201d There\u2019s a lot of activity underway to resolve those two concerns, so I think we are making good progress.<\/p>\n<p>California took a big risk [in the 1990s] when it pushed for a certain percentage of cars sold in the state to be net-zero emission vehicles. A lot of people said, \u201cCalifornia is never going to get there; its policy is simply aspirational.\u201d But they set up a series of interactions between the government, auto manufacturers, academics, and other interested parties to work on the technology. And they kept pushing and pushing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> Do you expect other states to follow California\u2019s recent move and ban sales of gas-powered vehicles?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> I would think so. There is some pushback that the move to EVs is going too fast: maybe we should examine other technology like fuel cells or greater use of biofuels. But not all of these options get you to net zero, and we need to get to net zero faster than a lot of people expect.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> What are the biggest hurdles facing California?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> Scale is really important. If nobody you know has an electric car, you think about issues like range and the lack of charging stations and you may be less likely to buy one. But if your neighbor to your left has an electric car and the neighbor to your right has an electric car and they love them, you\u2019re apt to look at one when you think about buying a new car. Then other people follow suit and interest in EVs snowballs.<\/p>\n<p>Keep in mind that we\u2019re talking about new cars sold in 2035. Cars last around 15 years, so it will take us to 2050 before we get rid of most of the gasoline-powered cars.<\/p>\n"},{"blockName":"core\/quote","attrs":{"value":"","citation":null,"textAlign":"","lock":[],"metadata":[],"align":"","className":"","style":[],"backgroundColor":"","textColor":"","gradient":"","fontSize":"","fontFamily":"","borderColor":"","layout":[],"anchor":""},"innerBlocks":[{"blockName":"core\/freeform","attrs":{"content":"","lock":[],"metadata":[]},"innerBlocks":[],"innerHTML":"<p>\u201cDrivers will be willing to wait 10 to 15 minutes to charge their cars so they can drive 200 more miles. But if they have to wait much longer, they will not be happy.\u201d<\/p>\n","innerContent":["<p>\u201cDrivers will be willing to wait 10 to 15 minutes to charge their cars so they can drive 200 more miles. But if they have to wait much longer, they will not be happy.\u201d<\/p>\n"],"rendered":"<p>\u201cDrivers will be willing to wait 10 to 15 minutes to charge their cars so they can drive 200 more miles. But if they have to wait much longer, they will not be happy.\u201d<\/p>\n"}],"innerHTML":"<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><\/blockquote>","innerContent":["<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">","<\/blockquote>"],"rendered":"<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cDrivers will be willing to wait 10 to 15 minutes to charge their cars so they can drive 200 more miles. But if they have to wait much longer, they will not be happy.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>"},{"blockName":"core\/freeform","attrs":{"content":"","lock":[],"metadata":[]},"innerBlocks":[],"innerHTML":"\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> More cars on the road, so more charging stations. But who builds them? Is it private industry or will this have to be supported by government?<\/p>\n","innerContent":["\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> More cars on the road, so more charging stations. But who builds them? Is it private industry or will this have to be supported by government?<\/p>\n"],"rendered":"\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> More cars on the road, so more charging stations. But who builds them? Is it private industry or will this have to be supported by government?<\/p>\n"},{"blockName":"harvard-gazette\/supporting-content","attrs":{"id":"40f84bf8-b9d1-4664-ba1c-ec70000d4ae7","align":"left","allowedBlocks":[],"style":[],"lock":[],"metadata":[],"className":""},"innerBlocks":[{"blockName":"harvard-gazette\/featured-articles","attrs":{"autoGenerate":false,"className":"is-style-grid-list","inPostContent":true,"numberOfPosts":3,"postIds":[326620,330990,167610],"showExcerpt":false,"title":"More like this","category":"","carouselOnDesktop":false,"isEditor":false,"linkText":"See all book reviews","passPostIds":false,"postOverrides":[],"postTypeOverride":"post","receivePostIds":false,"series":"","showCategory":true,"showDate":true,"gridColumns":2,"showDropShadow":false,"showFormat":true,"showImage":true,"showImageZoom":false,"showSeries":true,"showReadMore":true,"showReadTime":true,"tags":[],"useCurrentTerm":false,"lock":[],"metadata":[],"align":"","style":[]},"innerBlocks":[],"innerHTML":"","innerContent":[],"rendered":"\n\t<div class=\"featured-articles is-post-type-post is-style-grid-list\"  style=\"\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"featured-articles__title wp-block-heading\">More like this<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"featured-articles__list \">\n\t\t\n\t\t<li class=\"featured-article \">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"featured-article__image\">\n\t\t\t\t<img width=\"1200\" height=\"750\" src=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1200%2C750\" class=\"attachment-large-landscape-desktop size-large-landscape-desktop\" alt=\"Electric car.\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=608,380 608w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=784,490 784w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1024,640 1024w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1200,750 1200w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1488,930 1488w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1680,1050 1680w\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"featured-article__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"featured-article__category\" href=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/section\/science-technology\/\">\n\t\t\tScience &amp; 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One is the private party. The second is the government supports a private party to do it. The third is the government does it. I think the third would be a huge mistake. Of the other two, usually I would go with the first \u2014 private party \u2014 because that way the system tends to work better. But if we have to move to electric cars in a short period, the second is going to be your best option. There\u2019s $6 billion for charging infrastructure in the infrastructure bill, and I hope the government uses the money to incentivize the private sector to establish and operate fast-charging stations and to incentivize homeowners to install the capacity to charge their car in their garage.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> What changes might be noticeable over the next few years?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> You will need fast charging on the interstates and the highways. Drivers will be willing to wait 10 to 15 minutes to charge their cars so they can drive 200 more miles. But if they have to wait much longer, they will not be happy. The economics of charging is based on utilization. If I own a fast-charging station, I have to occupy my chargers at least 20 percent of the time if I\u2019m to break even. It\u2019s a little bit of a chicken-and-egg problem. This is where the government can come in and say, \u201cLook, we\u2019ll protect your bottom line for the first four years and then you\u2019re on your own.\u201d I think that would be an effective policy, because it would allow utilization rates to grow so the station can make a profit.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t think the electricity supply will be a big problem, but distribution will be. Utilities are going to have to install smart transformers in a lot of neighborhoods. If 60 percent of the cars in a neighborhood are electric and they all come home at 7 o\u2019clock and hook up, the transformers can\u2019t handle the surge in demand. You need a smart transformer that will be able to synchronize supply and demand and charge three of the cars between 7 and 10 p.m., then three more between 10 and 1 a.m., three more between 1 and 4 a.m., and the last batch between 4 and 7 a.m.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> Will there be downstream effects from the California requirement?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> The technology that we really need to accelerate is less expensive and more effective battery technology. If a vehicle can get the same amount of power from a smaller battery as a larger one, it will save weight and space while improving the range of the vehicle. Battery manufacturing also emits a lot of carbon, so we should work to reduce those emissions. Third, batteries use a lot of nickel, cobalt, and lithium, minerals that are very dirty to mine \u2014 particularly the first two \u2014 and extremely dirty to process. There\u2019s going to be pressure to develop batteries that use less nickel \u2014 or no nickel \u2014 or that don\u2019t use cobalt. Maybe there\u2019ll be pressure to recycle lithium instead of opening new mines. Improving battery technology should be a major focus for both the public and private sectors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n","innerContent":["\r\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> There are three options. One is the private party. The second is the government supports a private party to do it. The third is the government does it. I think the third would be a huge mistake. Of the other two, usually I would go with the first \u2014 private party \u2014 because that way the system tends to work better. But if we have to move to electric cars in a short period, the second is going to be your best option. There\u2019s $6 billion for charging infrastructure in the infrastructure bill, and I hope the government uses the money to incentivize the private sector to establish and operate fast-charging stations and to incentivize homeowners to install the capacity to charge their car in their garage.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> What changes might be noticeable over the next few years?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> You will need fast charging on the interstates and the highways. Drivers will be willing to wait 10 to 15 minutes to charge their cars so they can drive 200 more miles. But if they have to wait much longer, they will not be happy. The economics of charging is based on utilization. If I own a fast-charging station, I have to occupy my chargers at least 20 percent of the time if I\u2019m to break even. It\u2019s a little bit of a chicken-and-egg problem. This is where the government can come in and say, \u201cLook, we\u2019ll protect your bottom line for the first four years and then you\u2019re on your own.\u201d I think that would be an effective policy, because it would allow utilization rates to grow so the station can make a profit.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t think the electricity supply will be a big problem, but distribution will be. Utilities are going to have to install smart transformers in a lot of neighborhoods. If 60 percent of the cars in a neighborhood are electric and they all come home at 7 o\u2019clock and hook up, the transformers can\u2019t handle the surge in demand. You need a smart transformer that will be able to synchronize supply and demand and charge three of the cars between 7 and 10 p.m., then three more between 10 and 1 a.m., three more between 1 and 4 a.m., and the last batch between 4 and 7 a.m.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> Will there be downstream effects from the California requirement?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> The technology that we really need to accelerate is less expensive and more effective battery technology. If a vehicle can get the same amount of power from a smaller battery as a larger one, it will save weight and space while improving the range of the vehicle. Battery manufacturing also emits a lot of carbon, so we should work to reduce those emissions. Third, batteries use a lot of nickel, cobalt, and lithium, minerals that are very dirty to mine \u2014 particularly the first two \u2014 and extremely dirty to process. There\u2019s going to be pressure to develop batteries that use less nickel \u2014 or no nickel \u2014 or that don\u2019t use cobalt. Maybe there\u2019ll be pressure to recycle lithium instead of opening new mines. Improving battery technology should be a major focus for both the public and private sectors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n"],"rendered":"\r\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> There are three options. One is the private party. The second is the government supports a private party to do it. The third is the government does it. I think the third would be a huge mistake. Of the other two, usually I would go with the first \u2014 private party \u2014 because that way the system tends to work better. But if we have to move to electric cars in a short period, the second is going to be your best option. There\u2019s $6 billion for charging infrastructure in the infrastructure bill, and I hope the government uses the money to incentivize the private sector to establish and operate fast-charging stations and to incentivize homeowners to install the capacity to charge their car in their garage.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> What changes might be noticeable over the next few years?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> You will need fast charging on the interstates and the highways. Drivers will be willing to wait 10 to 15 minutes to charge their cars so they can drive 200 more miles. But if they have to wait much longer, they will not be happy. The economics of charging is based on utilization. If I own a fast-charging station, I have to occupy my chargers at least 20 percent of the time if I\u2019m to break even. It\u2019s a little bit of a chicken-and-egg problem. This is where the government can come in and say, \u201cLook, we\u2019ll protect your bottom line for the first four years and then you\u2019re on your own.\u201d I think that would be an effective policy, because it would allow utilization rates to grow so the station can make a profit.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t think the electricity supply will be a big problem, but distribution will be. Utilities are going to have to install smart transformers in a lot of neighborhoods. If 60 percent of the cars in a neighborhood are electric and they all come home at 7 o\u2019clock and hook up, the transformers can\u2019t handle the surge in demand. You need a smart transformer that will be able to synchronize supply and demand and charge three of the cars between 7 and 10 p.m., then three more between 10 and 1 a.m., three more between 1 and 4 a.m., and the last batch between 4 and 7 a.m.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> Will there be downstream effects from the California requirement?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> The technology that we really need to accelerate is less expensive and more effective battery technology. If a vehicle can get the same amount of power from a smaller battery as a larger one, it will save weight and space while improving the range of the vehicle. Battery manufacturing also emits a lot of carbon, so we should work to reduce those emissions. Third, batteries use a lot of nickel, cobalt, and lithium, minerals that are very dirty to mine \u2014 particularly the first two \u2014 and extremely dirty to process. There\u2019s going to be pressure to develop batteries that use less nickel \u2014 or no nickel \u2014 or that don\u2019t use cobalt. Maybe there\u2019ll be pressure to recycle lithium instead of opening new mines. Improving battery technology should be a major focus for both the public and private sectors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n"}],"innerHTML":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-group alignwide\">\n\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\n\n<\/div>\n","innerContent":["\n<div class=\"wp-block-group alignwide\">\n\n","\r\n","\r\n","\r\n","\r\n","\n\n<\/div>\n"],"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-group alignwide has-global-padding is-content-justification-center is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n\n\n\t\t<p>Last month, California regulators passed rules banning the sale of new gas-powered cars by 2035, a move hailed as a significant victory in the fight against climate change. The Gazette spoke with <a href=\"https:\/\/environment.harvard.edu\/people\/henry-lee\">Henry Lee<\/a>, director of the Environmental and Natural Resources Program at the Harvard Kennedy School and an expert on electric vehicles, about the ruling. Lee said that California\u2019s action is not without challenges, but that a shift in the nation\u2019s largest auto market has the potential to pull much of the country along with it. The interview has been edited for clarity and length.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Q&amp;A<\/h2>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Henry Lee<\/h3>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> How important is this move in fighting climate change?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> The ultimate goal is to decarbonize the transportation sector. That means passenger vehicles, freight vehicles; that means ships, airplanes. California\u2019s rule is certainly a positive step, but what\u2019s interesting is that more and more consumers are asking for electric cars. Demand outdistances supply right now.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> And that\u2019s with new vehicles coming on the market that you might not think of as electric, like Ford\u2019s F150 Lightning, with a couple of hundred thousand pre-orders.<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> An electric vehicle performs better than a gasoline vehicle, so it\u2019s not hard to sell. The concerns have always been, first, range. The trip I take in July is 500 miles and I\u2019m scared I\u2019m going to run out of power halfway. Secondly: \u201cWhere am I going to charge my car?\u201d There\u2019s a lot of activity underway to resolve those two concerns, so I think we are making good progress.<\/p>\n<p>California took a big risk [in the 1990s] when it pushed for a certain percentage of cars sold in the state to be net-zero emission vehicles. A lot of people said, \u201cCalifornia is never going to get there; its policy is simply aspirational.\u201d But they set up a series of interactions between the government, auto manufacturers, academics, and other interested parties to work on the technology. And they kept pushing and pushing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> Do you expect other states to follow California\u2019s recent move and ban sales of gas-powered vehicles?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> I would think so. There is some pushback that the move to EVs is going too fast: maybe we should examine other technology like fuel cells or greater use of biofuels. But not all of these options get you to net zero, and we need to get to net zero faster than a lot of people expect.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> What are the biggest hurdles facing California?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> Scale is really important. If nobody you know has an electric car, you think about issues like range and the lack of charging stations and you may be less likely to buy one. But if your neighbor to your left has an electric car and the neighbor to your right has an electric car and they love them, you\u2019re apt to look at one when you think about buying a new car. Then other people follow suit and interest in EVs snowballs.<\/p>\n<p>Keep in mind that we\u2019re talking about new cars sold in 2035. Cars last around 15 years, so it will take us to 2050 before we get rid of most of the gasoline-powered cars.<\/p>\n\r\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cDrivers will be willing to wait 10 to 15 minutes to charge their cars so they can drive 200 more miles. But if they have to wait much longer, they will not be happy.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\r\n\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> More cars on the road, so more charging stations. But who builds them? Is it private industry or will this have to be supported by government?<\/p>\n\r\n<div class=\"wp-block-harvard-gazette-supporting-content alignleft supporting-content\" id=\"supporting-content-40f84bf8-b9d1-4664-ba1c-ec70000d4ae7\">\n\t<div class=\"featured-articles is-post-type-post is-style-grid-list\"  style=\"\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"featured-articles__title wp-block-heading\">More like this<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"featured-articles__list \">\n\t\t\n\t\t<li class=\"featured-article \">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"featured-article__image\">\n\t\t\t\t<img width=\"1200\" height=\"750\" src=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1200%2C750\" class=\"attachment-large-landscape-desktop size-large-landscape-desktop\" alt=\"Electric car.\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=608,380 608w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=784,490 784w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1024,640 1024w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1200,750 1200w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1488,930 1488w, https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/electric-car-2500.jpg?resize=1680,1050 1680w\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"featured-article__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"featured-article__category\" href=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/section\/science-technology\/\">\n\t\t\tScience &amp; 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Tech\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"featured-article__title wp-block-heading \"><a href=\"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/story\/2015\/03\/greener-delivery\/\">Greener delivery?<\/a><\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"featured-article__meta\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<time class=\"featured-article__date\" datetime=\"2015-03-16\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMarch 16, 2015\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/time>\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"featured-article__reading-time\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t7 min read\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/li>\n\n\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t<\/div>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> There are three options. One is the private party. The second is the government supports a private party to do it. The third is the government does it. I think the third would be a huge mistake. Of the other two, usually I would go with the first \u2014 private party \u2014 because that way the system tends to work better. But if we have to move to electric cars in a short period, the second is going to be your best option. There\u2019s $6 billion for charging infrastructure in the infrastructure bill, and I hope the government uses the money to incentivize the private sector to establish and operate fast-charging stations and to incentivize homeowners to install the capacity to charge their car in their garage.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> What changes might be noticeable over the next few years?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> You will need fast charging on the interstates and the highways. Drivers will be willing to wait 10 to 15 minutes to charge their cars so they can drive 200 more miles. But if they have to wait much longer, they will not be happy. The economics of charging is based on utilization. If I own a fast-charging station, I have to occupy my chargers at least 20 percent of the time if I\u2019m to break even. It\u2019s a little bit of a chicken-and-egg problem. This is where the government can come in and say, \u201cLook, we\u2019ll protect your bottom line for the first four years and then you\u2019re on your own.\u201d I think that would be an effective policy, because it would allow utilization rates to grow so the station can make a profit.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t think the electricity supply will be a big problem, but distribution will be. Utilities are going to have to install smart transformers in a lot of neighborhoods. If 60 percent of the cars in a neighborhood are electric and they all come home at 7 o\u2019clock and hook up, the transformers can\u2019t handle the surge in demand. You need a smart transformer that will be able to synchronize supply and demand and charge three of the cars between 7 and 10 p.m., then three more between 10 and 1 a.m., three more between 1 and 4 a.m., and the last batch between 4 and 7 a.m.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GAZETTE:<\/strong> Will there be downstream effects from the California requirement?<\/p>\n<p><strong>LEE:<\/strong> The technology that we really need to accelerate is less expensive and more effective battery technology. If a vehicle can get the same amount of power from a smaller battery as a larger one, it will save weight and space while improving the range of the vehicle. Battery manufacturing also emits a lot of carbon, so we should work to reduce those emissions. Third, batteries use a lot of nickel, cobalt, and lithium, minerals that are very dirty to mine \u2014 particularly the first two \u2014 and extremely dirty to process. There\u2019s going to be pressure to develop batteries that use less nickel \u2014 or no nickel \u2014 or that don\u2019t use cobalt. Maybe there\u2019ll be pressure to recycle lithium instead of opening new mines. Improving battery technology should be a major focus for both the public and private sectors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n<\/div>\n"}},"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":15746,"url":"https:\/\/news.harvard.edu\/gazette\/story\/2008\/12\/shai-agassi-dreams-of-a-gas-free-future\/","url_meta":{"origin":347707,"position":0},"title":"Shai Agassi dreams of a gas-free future","author":"harvardgazette","date":"December 11, 2008","format":false,"excerpt":"Electric cars with zero emissions. Powered by renewable energy. All over the world. That is Shai Agassi\u2019s dream. 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